Horary Astrology is very accurate, if you know what you are doing. Recently, I made a chart that seemed could be interpreted a number of ways. I did ask a number of Astrologer friends a few questions and just off the top of their heads, the answers were all over the board. I jump the gun often and make hasty interpretations, forgetting basic and often opting for obscure techniques that may have worked for another Astrologer once. After seeing this chart and convinced the querent needed to get out there and start wedding shopping, I took a breath and thought “nothing is this simple”. I sent the information to Frank Piechoski and learned all over again. The bottom of this blog will contain the contact information and a bio on Frank.
The chart was made May 10th, 2011 in Security, Colorado @ 23:00. The question was: Will this be a long term relationship? The couple had recently met and everything hit off with a bang. The first thing to notice is the poor quality of the question. There is no perimeter on the amount of time long term means to the querent and the type of relationship is not addressed. I saw the 24 degree over and over, the Significators, the Moon, the POF, and Venus… I enthusiastic assumed this was a big YES, it couldn’t be more perfect. Then I called in the big guns 🙂
There are several issues with this chart that make it a rather complicated delineation – the nature of the question – “Will this blossom into a long-term relationship” being one of them. The question is not will there be a relationship at all – since there already is one – but the length and endurance of it. First, there is a late rising degree of 28 Sagittarius 39, meaning that it’s pretty late in the game to be asking a question. The female querent’s main significator Jupiter is well posited in Aries in a nocturnal chart and thus in Triplicity – and is angular (meaning that it is able to operate well). The querent’s secondary significator, Venus is in Detriment, but saved from the Peregrine condition by placed in her own Face. She is also co-present in the same degree as the main significators and applies to the quested. She also rules the 5th House. The quested’s main significator is Peregrine and also angular and also co-present in the same degree as the querent and applying. The quested secondary significator, Mars (as a male) is also in Aries. The Moon is trine the quested’s significator, Jupiter and past it by only 4 minutes of arc – so according to Lilly in Christian Astrology, it has not yet separated. The Moon also appears to make a trine to Mars as her final aspect before departing Leo – but if we look at it more closely, Mars will actually leave Aries before the Moon can catch him to complete the aspect. Fortune is also in 24 degrees – but in Virgo so it doesn’t behold either the Moon in Leo or the Mercury/Venus/Mars clump. For me, the telling factor of this exercise is that all the significators are angular in Aires – a Cardinal, fast-moving sign. The only bodies in Fixed signs are the Sun and Moon (which is also faster than her average motion) – and they are both Peregrine. In my opinion, this is a fast-burning relationship. Yes, there is a relationship – but this chart doesn’t bode well for longevity. Mercury runs toward everything – but Mars is emphatically running away after fire runs out.
There were additional tidbits of information that was shared in other emailings. They may appear in a random fashion, and rest assured I am pulling them out of context.
- She is Jupiter (and Moon and Venus) with dignity by Triplicity.
- He is Mercury, Peregrine and Mars and Sun – Mars has Dignity.
- The Sun and Moon are in Fixed signs, so that is an argument for the long haul.
- The 24-degree stuff is in the same degree as Fortune – but they don’t see Fortune because they are inconjunct.
- Seven point s in Cardinal shows it is moving very quickly.
- Look at the Moon’s last aspect before it leaves Leo . It appears to be a trine to Mars – but wait – Mars will leave Aries prior to the Moon completing the trine. I think even though there’s a lot going on here, he might not stick around.
- Lilly says 6 minutes until a planet is separate
I looked over much of what Frank pointed out, what I noticed was is the Latitudes of Declination, Jupiter and the Moon are conjunct but out of aspect to Mercury. Oh, and I could do a triple flip before learning to walk…. the Moon is not VoC by Antiscion (use only if the rest of the chart supports) Speaking of which, note the Moon is apparently not VoC because she is applying in Trine to Mars, or is she VoC, because the perfection never happens since Mars slips into Taurus (his Detriment and in Venus’ term, and ruler) before the trine, sort of escaping. The close placement of the Significators and Venus( in her Detriment) between them, I assumed to just look at it as one big conjunction (and still would in Natal) since they all are laced together with the 6 minute rule…. but if they had been separated with a larger orb, it would be an interposing aspect as Venus cuts off Mercury from reaching Jupiter first, or it could be a Translation of Light… if a 3rd party were involved or Venus was not in Detriment I would think more positive. I believe this is interposing, and with it being Venus, not a painful thing. Now all that said, um the Moon is in the 8th house.
It started off where they both enjoyed each other’s company. Over the course of a few weeks, it became obvious that it was that pesky interpose with Venus between them. The two have very different values in matters that belong to Venus (they both like movies, just different kinds, both love music, different kinds, both love art, different kinds, I foresee problems just picking out a comforter to share. Venus as the cusp of the 5th, they share the same hobby, again just differently. As for a long term relation? They are still friendly to each other, and like each other and can not imagine not considering each other as acquaintances. So, the relationship may very well be long term, just a different one than was imagined by the querent. Noted is also that the querent initiated all the changes, seen in Mercury’s (quested) state of Peregrine. The funniest thing in this blog, is when Frank points out that Mars has dignity (just before the great escape to Taurus) read as literal.
Frank Piechoski is a professional astrologer who first began doing charts in 1976. He serves on the NCGR Board as public relations and marketing chair and is an AFAN Advisor who served eight years on its Steering Committee as Media Watch chair. He will be lecturing on mundane astrology and rectification at UAC 2012 in New Orleans.